F-4E
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2 21 August 2016, 04:11
Patrick HagelsteinSorry to read this but around 1990 Hasegawa issued a complete new line of F-4 kits. These kits, although rivaled by new kits by Academy and Revell, are still state of the art! The Eduard PE set is indeed aimed at those kits.
21 August 2016, 08:08
Patrick HagelsteinBTW Hasegawa and Revell don't share moulds like stated in this review!!!
21 August 2016, 08:16
AugieHi Hagel,
Sorry to butt in, but Hasegawa and Revell have shared molds or at the least reboxed each others kits.
scalemates.com/kits/115267-r..-lockheed-f-104g-starfighter
scalemates.com/kits/120379-revell-04563-a-7e-corsair-ii
Are two examples where they have
21 August 2016, 08:46
Patrick HagelsteinHi Augie! You are absolutely right! What I meant is that Revell doesn't use Hasegawa moulds for their 1/72 F-4F. That's their own researched mould in which the panel lines are more detailed but the canopies are too flat and the nose too pointy just like their 1/32 kit.
For example the Revell 1/72 Draken and the 1/72 P-3C Orion are also Hasegawa reboxings.
21 August 2016, 08:55
Donald Dickson IIHagel, thank you for the info sir! It certainly explains the issues I am having.
21 August 2016, 17:02
Donald Dickson IIKind of stupid for them to keep re boxing this when they have a better product.
22 August 2016, 00:43
Patrick HagelsteinTrue! Seeing the cool boxart I would also be tempted to buy this particular kit. That's why I allways open scalemates.com whenever I'm in my LHS. 🙂
22 August 2016, 10:00
Donald Dickson IIThis was purchased at the local IPMS club meeting. Its for a build the same kit contest. Club provides same subject in 32, 48 and 72. You buy it, build it and take it to the Dec meeting. You can use any kit you want, but if you buy it from the club, and then bring it in for the meeting, they will reimburse you.
22 August 2016, 15:45
Patrick HagelsteinHey that's a cool concept! Sounds like fun! And kits get actually built, at least in my case. 😉
22 August 2016, 18:29
Donald Dickson IILOL Precisely! Though I am going overboard. I got the Hasegawa weapons loading kit and 2 of the weapons kits. Hopefully it all turns out well.
23 August 2016, 04:12
Donald Dickson IIGot the seams pretty much taken care of. Underside painted light gray with a quick coat of white over that. Masked up and some bare metal silver shot on the leading edges for chipping. Going to try dabbing masking solution with a brush for the first time.
I also decided to go ahead and diorama it a bit with the Hasegawa weapons loading kit. Tractor is mostly done. Got to weather it then I will put the wheels on for real.
26 August 2016, 04:07
Ray SeppalaNice progress Donald 👍 These early Hasegawa kits are showing their age mould wise.
1 September 2016, 02:09
Donald Dickson IIEkki, hopefully I dont disappoint.
Ray, as I said, I am not a fan of them re boxing a kit that is clearly inferior to their second effort. It is definitely a 40+ year old effort.
1 September 2016, 05:06
RexDonald, to make it worse, this kit *is* the "second effort", there was one before this tooling. And they still sell that first one, also. It is available as an "F-4M/K", even though it is still just a thin winged F-4B with two Spey exhaust cans added in. Still has the extremely awful bombs and racks, everything except the engines is that old F-4B kit. To add insult to injury, the three tooling sets have different wing sizes and shapes, too.
1 September 2016, 05:22
Donald Dickson IIRex, when you say this kit, you mean the one I am doing? Because I a pretty sure the one I am doing is the umpteenth re boxing of the 1960 whatever tool
5 September 2016, 21:18
Rexyes, this kit from the late 60's tooling (second Hasegawa Phantom tooling),,,,,,a completely different tooling from the earlier 1960's Hasegawa kits.
The giveaway is that the wings are different shapes and sizes between the second tooling (F-4E, etc) and the first tooling (F-4J/D/K, with F-4B shapes, but without nose sensor)
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5 September 2016, 21:39
RexLet me try this again
first and second tooling with leading edges lined up
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with trailing edges lined up
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both wings are different from the third boxing set (the Monogram, boxed for Japan domestic sales) and the fourth (the popular "modular" series that started as the "Blue Box Hasegawa Ka series)
5 September 2016, 21:52
RexI was going to send you to the timelines,,,,,,,but, I see that they are messed up again, to the point that the Italeri F-4S is shown as coming *after* the Tamiya rebox of them, and that they are again linked to the Bilek F-4G kits, even though those are different toolings.
So, nevermind,,,,,I will just link you to my site after I get them all entered over there, with the actual boxings grouped together by the real toolings that made them all.
5 September 2016, 22:21
Scott HastingsI am battling the Tamiya 1/72 kit errr, rebox of Italeri...glad I have a big tube of Bondo!
6 September 2016, 05:06
RexYeah, my Italeri F-4S turned out to be a putty monster, too. So, it is not a case of the molds getting old,,,,,,,it was just ill fitting from the start. (glad you posted, Scott, I thought I was doing something wrong with that kit, lol)
6 September 2016, 05:47
RexWhat is the item number for that set? There is a way to tell by looking at the shape of some of the etch parts on the fret. Since Hasegawa did things so differently on the second tooling (your's) and the current series, we can look at detail shapes and tell which kit it is for. Unseen, I'd bet it is for the current tooling, just because of how long that kit has been out, and the "newness" of the Eduard sets. But, it is also possible that Eduard decided to upgrade that old tooling, since it is still being sold.
7 September 2016, 16:46
RexDonald, I just looked at all of the Eduard Zoom sets that I have and I can guarantee you that all of those are for the New tooled Hasegawa kits. Right on the front page of the instructions, above the seat illustrations for those PE parts, they tell you that the seats are made up from the Q sprue part numbers. Your kit didn't have that A through X part numbering system, that is new kit nomenclature.
They still would be an enhancement for your cockpit, though, just modify the plastic so that the parts fit.
F-4E Zoom is part number SS201, if that is any help.
7 September 2016, 17:42
Donald Dickson IIWell, the kit I have has no instrument panels. I tried to make them out of sheet plastic, but they were way too big. After many incremental cut downs, I realized there just isnt the room in there for them. It was a matter of cutting down the PE parts as they were too big for the kit parts. And I have plenty of stuff left over I cant use.
9 September 2016, 04:43
RexThis might work for your kit. When I got the Navy Eduard Zoom sets, I copied them with a color copier on clear overhead plastic projection sheets. Then, when I built/build a first generation kit, I just cut the color plastic parts off with a pair of scissors, since that generation also didn't have a cockpit made out of plastic parts, either.
But, since your model is so far along, that wouldn't work for this build,,,,,,,,,and I'd bet after fighting this model already, you won't be buying another for later on
9 September 2016, 05:27
Scott HastingsDon, you are a smarter man than I. Got the Hase, a Fujimi and the Tamiya to build. Gonna need a full wine barrel of filler putty to close up all these seams. Love the idea if colour copy onto acetate for the PE by Rex
13 September 2016, 05:41
Donald Dickson IIOK, between othewr projects, I did some work on this baby. Got the initial painting done. Let me reiterate, INITIAL painting. Got a lot of work to do just yet.
9 October 2016, 02:05
Donald Dickson IIOk between other projects some work done on this baby. Got the initial painting done. Let me reiterate, INITIAL painting. Lot to do just yet.
9 October 2016, 02:08
Donald Dickson IIAnd the loading equipment is mostly finished. I did some more work on the paint. I was going to go back and spray lightened colors to show fading, but I think the sanding with fine grit has accomplished that. So just touch up spraying to do.
Not sure if I over did the chipping though.
9 October 2016, 06:33
Patrick HagelsteinThe camouflage looks nice but the amount of chipping is too much indeed. Before the airflow rubs down the paint through the primer up to the bare metal the ground crew would have put the jet into the paint shed or at least do some patch painting. Also the ground equipment would be very clean. An airfield is kept very clean to prevent aircraft sucking in debris. Vehicles aren't allowed to go off the tarmac for that reason.
9 October 2016, 08:56
Donald Dickson IIAlrighty then. I will paint over that. And remove some of the mud. Though I am modeling the plane on PSP, and the equipment did get a bit dirty. I probably did go over board on that too. I will remove a good bit of that.
Thank you sir! 🙂
9 October 2016, 16:40
Dave FlittonARRRGGGHHH! I have both of these kits you mentioned, looks like I have to buy a tube of putty for each one.
9 October 2016, 18:22
Donald Dickson IIWell, got all the decals on. Dirtied her up. Its hard to tell on the top side due to the camo, but its obvious on the white underside. Only two missiles from the kit attached. I am doing a load out with a pave spike pod and the gun pod. And GBU 10s and SUU 30 bombs. The GBUs will be on, the SUUs will be on the weapons dolly.
So, i still have to do the weapons and then the figures and that will about wrap it up. Hopefully be done in a week or so. I set up the diorama to see if it would look as good as I thought. I rather like.
31 October 2016, 03:27
Donald Dickson IIAnd the observant folks will not the flames on the nose have become a sharks mouth.
For some reason, I did not bother to check to make sure the two sides were even. And they were off a noticeable amount. And I had sealed them in with dullcoat. So, I had two choices. Live with that or put the shark mouth on even if it doesnt match that particular plane.
I can live with it being not totally accurate over the two sides being wonky.
31 October 2016, 03:31
Patrick HagelsteinDonald, do you have some extra pictures of the nose? The nose isn't that visible in your pictures.
31 October 2016, 11:42
Donald Dickson IIOh, I definitely like it. And only the pilot or crew chief would be likely to point out its not right. Or anyone who reads this. LOL
1 November 2016, 23:40
Donald Dickson IIOK, it is complete! Finished up the figures tonight. I love how it turned out. 🙂
14 November 2016, 02:52
wilkyOne could say that it is a Phanomenonaly, Phantastic and Phabulous Phantom or is that going too Phar
15 November 2016, 22:09
RexHaha, on another site, in a Phantom thread, we are getting "virtually Phined" for each time we "Ph" our words. (sort of like putting a quarter in the swear jar)
15 November 2016, 22:40
Donald Dickson IIYou phellas, and ladies, are more than welcome to continue the Ph ing.
16 November 2016, 02:18
Łukasz GlińskiI pheel like I'm missing too much oph this phunny conpherence while I'm ophline😉
I have to phollow it more ophten
16 November 2016, 08:20
Rexwell, there is no way anyone is ever going to take away the term "Phantom Phixer",,,,,that is one that already existed when the Phantom was still being Phlown in the US. "Toom" is another term that will be around as long as we still are.
On a different note, Donald, did you get a new tooled Phantom from the Hasegawa series?
16 November 2016, 21:26
Donald Dickson IINot yet. I plan on it, but I have a lot scheduled for the next several months. If I happen across one at auction or the like, I will likely snag it.
17 November 2016, 05:03
Donald Dickson IIOK, the build the same subject contest was at the IPMS meeting last night. I took second. The Jap F-4 in the last pic took first, and rightfully so. I was happy with second as there were a lot of very good builds present. Not like there were only two entries. LOL
And since they were ALL Phantoms, there was no I am going to vote for the P-51 that is clearly not as good as the Eagle but I am WWII guy bullshit that tends to happen. All the same plane, gotta vote on merit more than anything else.
9 December 2016, 03:41
Rexwow, no shame in taking second to that build, at all. As good as your's is, that EJ is just plain cool.
congrats on your finish. That eggplane is pretty cool looking too.
9 December 2016, 04:29
Donald Dickson IIThank you. 🙂 Rex, my thoughts exactly. That was one hell of a build he did.
9 December 2016, 15:14
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Hasegawas many times over reboxed 1/72 Phantom. Not impressed. No control panels, bad fit, woeful detail.
As I am an idiot, I managed to delete the pics of the ejection seats and cockpit. The Eduard PE set is nice. BUT, I think there must be a different 1/72 Hasegawa F-4E as everything in the PE set is too big for this kit.
