Derelict F-8 Crusader WIP

Martin Oostrom
As man cave is taken over by the kids, I can't do any painting. So I started another project. As a kid I always wanted this kit. Now I've got it and... it's not up to today's standard. No surprise of course, but the cockpit consists of a pilot figure, nothing more. So I'll depict her as a derelict plane. Faded paint, dirty streaks and a mossy canopy. So, once more a build of firsts.

Choppa Nutta
I do like a good derelict !! 🙂

Spanjaard
really excellent idea. i am in

Ekki
Me too.

Peter Hardy
Not too much moss Spanjaard, not a lot of that in the Desert where they live, or die slowly.

Martin Oostrom
Oh oh. I should have known that Choppa would be drawn to something not too regular. Now I have to match his standard 😉
I realise the painting will have to make the difference. And I'm not the best painter when it comes to chipping, fading etc. Something new to learn 👍

Choppa Nutta
haha thanks for the compliment Martin 🙂
as for the mossy canopy, I reckon that would be cool,
Reckon you'll do fine though Martin 👍
especially as these saw service in Nam 🙂

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Martin Oostrom
Crazy story Choppa 👍

Please dont tell Bernhard Schrock, but I just went off the right track when priming this thing.

Greg Baker
oh, I'm pulling up a seat here... I love F-8s and something not too regular...

Peter Hardy
Don't forget the torn tarp over the canopy!

Maciej Bellos
Sounds interesting!

David Thor
What kind of primer is that? Following with interest!

Jeffrey Riedesel
Cool. Will be following

Martin Oostrom
Peter, please hush. You're going to spoil my suprises 😉
Primer is Vallejo 73.604 German Dark Yellow RAL7028

Cuajete
I hate how fantastically good that you build these old models, Martin. Good work so far. Watching.

Ed Froix
I wil follow

Konrad -
Me too! Looks great so far Martin!!

Peter Hardy
Peter Foot In Mouth Hardy strikes again!

Julian Herrero aka Yuri
Hummmm , perfect kit for a retro-modelling project
;)

Martin Oostrom
Oh oh. The crowd over here is shaping up like a top notch line up. Scary! Now I have to deliver 😛

Greg Baker
I demand to be entertained!

Martin Oostrom
Been ill all week and just a bit better today. So after everybody left after my daughters birthday party, I was bold enough to spray Revell 99 aluminium. In some places added a drop of black.
Not sure if it was a good idea.... Luckily I get a top coat of French navy blue 🙂 AND everything mushy I can find. Hope is still alive. If it dies I just blame Greg and his demands 😉

Burkhard D
Cool project and some nice work on that ole kit 🙂 😎

Spanjaard
take care of yourself Martin

Michael Phillips
Looking great so far Martin! This is the part where things really start to get fun (for me, at least LOL)

Peter Hardy
Martin, listen to Spanjaard.

Greg Baker
Well, let's just remember that derelicts come in many shapes, sizes and stages... And excuses are plentiful and handy... and can be used as justification whenever necessary. Trust me, I use them all the time!

I am glad that you've recovered sufficiently to continue to provide us with entertainment, 'cause that's what it's really all about... isn't it? 😉

Martin Oostrom
Okay Mates, I'll take it slow untill I'm sufficiently recovered.
Could not resist to try a bit of moss. Looks fine but lacks a bit of texture.

Tim Heimer
We always knew Martin was sick! LOL

Cuajete
Martin, take care about your health.

Choppa Nutta
perhaps try adding a little talcum powder ?
rub it down if it comes out too rough ?
experiment with experimentation 😄 😄 😄

Martin Oostrom
Thanks everybody for your concerned words.
Timmy, I DO know the difference between ill and sick 😉
Choppa, I tried a different experiment. Just some dust pigment, after drying slimed it up with the washes. It looks way better (at least that's what I think)

Choppa Nutta
Ah so, good idea 🙂

Martin Oostrom
I'm fantastic in getting great ideas, if I say so myself. Safly enough, I'm mediocre at best in executing those ideas.

Martin Oostrom
The French Navy blue is a bit too dark. Will use this as the darkest shade then 😎. Solved!

David Thor
Really interested to see how this is turning out. 🙂

Clifford Keesler
Wow, I missed this one. Neat project.

Martin Oostrom
Okay then. Another first. I used rock salt for masking for the first time. Then sprayed Ammo's Sea Blue, then lightened with Ammo's Intermediate Blue, then lightened some more with Ammo's RLM65, then added an overdose of Vallejo white.

I'm having a hard time removing all of the salt. Perhaps it can double up as some moss (after painting)?
I am amazed at how easy it is to do this salt thing.
Next time I'll prepare a plan before painting, might help....

Spanjaard
sweet 😉

Tim Heimer
Hey Martin try using a lightly DAMP tooth brush. depending on what your removing they have soft, med, and stiff bristles.

Martin Oostrom
Mmm, a damp brush on freshly painted acrylic. You sure that's a good idea? Will try the next time on a scrap piece

Choppa Nutta
Actually Martin a damp stipple brush (tooth ?) helps the chipping effect along nicely 🙂
But either way it looks effective thus far, as you suggest those lumps could be mossed up with some dust and paint etc.

ice
What a great idea for the old kit. I like the results so far. 👍

Tim Heimer
For freshly painted acrylic, I would wait a few hours first, 2-3, then with soft brush alone , then go over spots with barely damp lightly then increase your pressure if needed. Yea for acrylics use the soft brush, depending on how it is, maybe a medium one. acrylics moisten the salt more and can give different effects depending on time left on and technique.

Stephan Ryll
Interesting result on that surface and indeed a nice idea 👍

Peter Hardy
Turning into a lesson for Me gents. You guys are amazing with all your knowledge. I will sit back and take notes. Much to learn!

Peter Hardy
Question!

Would leaving the salt under the paint simulate peeling paint on an aged surface or are there better techniques for that?

Choppa Nutta
Look up chipping fluid (hair spray technique)

Apply base paint
apply chipping fluid
apply top coat
use a damp stippling brush to scrub away paint to leave a pealing paint effect 🙂

excess salt just looks like lumps on the surface which can be made to look some kind of debris but it doesn't look like pealing paint though

Clifford Keesler
Hey Choppa, nice to see you are still with us. LOL. Agree with Choppa try the hairspray method it works good.

Greg Baker
One thing that I learned using the hairspray technique is to only do it one layer at a time. It might seem simple, but I assumed that having twolayers of paint in a cammo pattern partially sit over one complete "unstable" layer of hairspray would be sufficient. I wasn't trying to do anything fancy with multiple rust patterns showing through, I just wanted to take of some paint around the edges. It didn't work though. The layer of paint directly on top of the hairspray came off... the second layer did not.

Peter Hardy
Done the chipping fluid and hairspray thang.

Tim Heimer
Peter, leaving a little of the unscrubbed salt debris can help simulate a rusted area around the paint chip with rust colored pastel or just leave as bubbled paint around chip.

Peter Hardy
Thought it might! Rust isn't flat with with colour added.it bubbles and bursts over time.

Martin Oostrom
After some delay, finally some work done on this wreck. Dirtied her up with some oils.
Took some of the shine off the exhaust.

Peter Hardy
Looks like nobody loves it already!

Martin Oostrom
Even dirtier now. Added some pigments as base for the moss. Also primed and preshaded the tarpaulin

Martin Oostrom
Joss Stone! Love it 😛

Tim Heimer
It's a dirty bird!

Greg Baker
Wow. It's really looking bad... which is good. This is so confusing... 😉

Martin Oostrom
Another song: Youtube Video
Thanks everybody. I need a little advice. The tarp, don't want it greenish or blueish as the plane is datk enough. Grey would make the total picture a bit depressing. Could a faded orange tarp work, or should I go with grey and drown myself in beer 😉

Greg Baker
Orange... perfect. But still have a beer.

Martin Oostrom
Painted the tarps first layer. Needs some additional fading, dirtying and moss.

Konrad -
This really comes out nicely 👍! I'm really excited to see the finished one!

Martin Oostrom
Made some small progress. Painted the wheels and undercarriage. Used some slimy grime to moss it up.

John Thomas
Nice work

Martin Oostrom
Thanks John. Slowly we're getting somewhere

Peter Hardy
The moss on top looks good.

Peter Hardy
You know Martin, when you started this project you said the word "derelict". I immediately thought of that plane boneyard in the US, Arizona I think. Anyway, it's in a desert because deserts are dry and preserve things like murder victim's bodies and aeroplanes and things. But you being Dutch think of rising damp and yucky stuff like moss and lichen. Interesting perspective. Told you I had an inactive mind.

Peter Hardy
Yeah well you just know I will do one don't you!

Martin Oostrom
Peter, a dry bones Arizona plane WAS my idea at the start. But fit and overall detailing (or rather lack thereof) made it necessary to hide some stuff. Luckily this plane was used by the french as well, so a dark grey bird in some unknown French airbase was born.
Thanks Lode. I always mix up my Corsaders and Crusairs. But I like this one as well.

Dutch
Coming along very nicely! What skills you bring to light! I am too afraid to do it.

Martin Oostrom
Dutch don't be afraid. Just buy an old, cheap kit and give your skills a whirl. Bought this one at ESM in Houten for next to nothing. I never did fading with oils before, or using pigments for moss, or make a tarp from a tissue. But most came out ok, some very nice and perhaps I need to practice some more on others. But hey, I'm having fun with this one!

Clifford Keesler
Very nice Martin.

Greg Baker
You've been doing a great job on this one Martin. I like how the project has evolved and you've inspired me to try a "derelict"of a completely different sort as well. Thanks!

Peter Hardy
You're not going to sit on a street corner in dirty clothes and have a bottle of cheap wine in a brown paper bag in your lap I hope Greg?

Dutch
Now there's a thought! "Living art!" I might try that this weekend! That way, when the police roll me up, I can claim I am an artist and they are violating my first amendment rights!

Peter Hardy
What's your first amendment? I know all about your right to carry an assault rifle just in case a bandicoot tries burrowing in your garden but I think that's the second?

Greg Baker
That's just my regular Thursday afternoon, Peter... I was thinking more along the lines of turning the old kit in my most recent project into a "derelict" as well... Ghibli: If an Ohm falls in the Forest (Nausicaa + Ohm) | Album by strobez (1:144)

Martin Oostrom
And started on a base: Basic base | Album by Mahoo76 (1:72)
And Clifford, thanks for the serious comment. Don't be deterred by the hoodlums 😉

Martin Oostrom
Goodday my mateys. Finished this one last night, but Tim sabotaged my upload attemps. For the finished wreck and a small cameo, visit this album: Derelict F-8 Crusader - Finished | Album by Mahoo76 (1:72)

Tim Heimer
I did not! oh you meant the other Tim! LOL I wouldn't do that to you!

Martin Oostrom
ROFL. Tim here, Tim there, there's Tims everywhere!