Admiral Graf Spee

Spanjaard
looking good Martin

Martin Oostrom
Gracias. Tomorrow some miniature burrs should arrive by mail. Then I can drill out the tiny square windows.

Spanjaard
good luck with it 🙂
one option, specially if the windows are rounded, is to drill close to the corners, so have the right shape straight. and then join the four holes forming an X, and remove material with the new blade, and carefully file them to correct shape. try first with some piece of leftover plastic or plasticard

Spanjaard
about picture 42, you can get some anti skid plate, and cover the whole thing. it is possible to find them in multiple scales.

Martin Oostrom
My wife will kill me if I buy anything else. Today 1:350 Musashi arrived with a pontos set for 1:350 Texas. My birthday was November 24th. I got this Graf Spee from my wife and the kids. Ever since I bought 1:350 Texas, 1:200 Rodney with pontos set, 1:350 Musashi with Flyhawk set, and a kit or 9 at ESM (didn't want to but I was accompanied by some Spanish guy 😉 ) and I got a :72 Catalina for Sinterklaas.
I might smuggle some paint or tools into the house, but kits or add-ons are a no-go for now 🙁

Spanjaard
well, that anti-skid can simply fit in an envelope....😉 nobody will know
yes, you did not want to buy anything, but check every single stand looking for the Draken....😉

Martin Oostrom
Sssssh, don't tell Spanjaard. Perhaps the boss will read here oneday. 😉

I wasn't satisfied with the keel. Due to the applied pressure to glue the halves, there was a noticeable 'bend'. Couldn't sand it away, so I smeared on some Revell Plasto. That stuff is dry before you know it.... very hard to apply.
While that is curing I finished the de-detailing of the decks. It went okay-ish. This greenish grey plastic is so different to the Revell stuff I'm used to. It's harder, easier to glue, not brittle at all, but harder to sand.

Andreas Niedermayr
Give vallejo plastic putty a try, I mean the one with the long tip. It could be applied very precisely and thin. It gives you much more control and the collateral damage is minimized. It hardens not so extremly fast and it could be sanded easier as it will not get so rock hard. And it doesn't smell so bad.

Peter Hardy
Scalemates is brilliant, I learn so much from you guys. Martin, the idea of putting the PE on while the parts are still in the sprue never occurred to me. I did want to ask though, was the hull warped in the box?

Spanjaard
ha haha, ok i will send that kind of thing via PM😉

Martin Oostrom
Andreas, do you mean this: scalemates.com/kits/633657-vallejo-70-401-plastic-putty
I've got three of them. Ideal for filling small gaps, but in my experience totally unsandable. I cannot get it with a smooth edge.

Peter, the hull wasn't exactly warped. There was a small gap that I closed with just a bit of force. In the end there was a small misalignment that just needs a lot of attention.

Lode, welcome buddy.

Peter Hardy
Martin, you and Lode will stir me into the Bismarck yet. Love watching you guys work the magic!!

Spanjaard
ok, so i am not the only one that does not really like vallejo plastic putty...... very small gaps ok. but not much more.

Erwin Leetink
Same here: if I try to fill larger gaps, I cannot sand it smooth. It remains somehow flexible and when I try to sand it, chunks come of. Really need to get some Tamiya putty...

Erwin Leetink
My LHS can't get them. The owner says they are forbidden in the Netherlands??

Spanjaard
it may be possible it is forbidden in Europe. Well, you can always get it via evilbay from Japan.....

Erwin Leetink
Thanks, Already checking: $5,50 incl. shipping.

Spanjaard
Actually, I was wrong, and it is available, see Bart answer in a post where I was asking about it
scalemates.com/whatsnew.php?topic=3933176

Erwin Leetink
Ok. I already order 2 tubes

Holger Kranich
Oh im in, im in, im in!🙂

Andreas Niedermayr
Martin, yes I mean Vallejo Nr. 401, though my tube is black instead of blue. And you're right, sometimes the surface rips of while sanding. Maybe it's be cause the putty needs much time to harden and the connection to the underground is too ‚soft'. But for small gaps , ejector marks etc. it's really good.
I guess I will also try Tamiya or something else like squadron etc.
By the way, I saw the tiny PE parts. Anyone knows the english meaning of ‚Teppichmonster'?

Martin Oostrom
Hi Andreas. Your 'carpetmonster' has a nephew living over here. He hasn't been hungry yet during this build. 🙂
Welcome Holger 👍

Spanjaard
we all have one... or several ones lurking close to our modelling areas... and no, i do not mean the other members of the household. those can be sometimes on our side... and sometimes allied with the carpet monster 😄

Erwin Leetink
Apparently there is a mutation of the carpetmonster called tilemonster. I must have one of those parasites somewhere, though it never showed itself...

Martin Oostrom
Needed a second layer of putty to get an even keel. Have to wait till dry now 🙁

Martin Oostrom
Three times is a charm. Fit on shafts was less than ideal. Same on the kimkeels. Kims were filled with Vallejo plastic putty. Shafts need some thinking. Rudder went like a dream.

Peter Hardy
Geese Martin, how much sandpaper did you go through on that hull bottom! Bet you got a sore arm out of that! Never mind, good foundations are necessary for good buildings. Keep the reports coming!

Peter Hardy
That should have been " Geeze Martin"! Maybe Tim can put Australian dialect in for me!

Martin Oostrom
Geese, geeze. My english is so perfect, I hadn't noticed. 🙂
Regarding the sore arm, I do have a so called Tennis elbow. Not from modelling, but from a very resisting Ikea closet. The arm just did 'pang' while tightening a screw in an odd stance. So I'm very limited in my movements. 🙁

Peter Hardy
Potfradoma!

Spanjaard
take care of yourself Martin!

Tim Heimer
This getting old thing is a trap! Lots of ice on that tennis elbow and nsaids! Been there had that. Watch out for that goofy Pom/Aussie.

Peter Hardy
Can someone call a doctor for Martin please? Modelling is too physically intensive for his fragile body!

Martin Oostrom
Peter, I'll be sending you a mate request, just so I can de-mate you whenever I want to 😉

Spanjaard
well, i was reading the introduction of Mig Jimenez to Armor techniques encyclopaedia... he mentioned some handicapped modellers that impressed him (even a blind one), so elbow or no elbow, no excuse to keep making models😉 i wish you will be ok in no time

Erwin Leetink
A mate request? That sounds scary... 😛

Martin Oostrom
😄 Quote from another Aussie in Dangerous Creatures: "Bend down, Nev"

Peter Hardy
Ha, you call tha that quote?

Tim Heimer
Peter is....a Dangerous Creature!

Martin Oostrom
He sure is fierce 😉
In other news, the hull is closed up, I hope.

Christian Bruer
Very nice and work and complex modifications along the lower hull and deck. I follow with interest!

Martin Oostrom
Now I have to step up the quality, the Master is watching! 😉
Secondary and tertiary guns completed. Drilled the torpedo tubes and finished the mounts.

Martin Oostrom
Never thought of myself as a fast builder. It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. 😄
Around Christmas I had three weeks off. So besides all the family obligations I had quite some time to do the tedious work; cutting and sanding of a lot of parts. Now it's more of all the those parts coming together.
I am getting closer to the dreaded part: painting my very first 1:350 ship in a decent way. 😉

Martin Oostrom
To be honest, the kit is great. Zero flash, hardly any mild lines. After gluing and sanding the seam is nearly invisible.
The hull will be medium grey, the superstructure will be light grey. By orders of the Master CB. There are some pictures of a fake bow wave, I intend to do that as well.

Peter Hardy
Takes me three weeks to work out how to open the box!

Martin Oostrom
Peter, start opening the Bismarck box then. Perhaps you can get started building by Valentine's day.

Tim Heimer
LOL!

Christian Bruer
Don't worry Martin, you're on a very good way 👍

Peter Hardy
Martin, Dear Martin, I have the Bismark in my shopping cart at BNA model world. I just haven't actually PAID for it yet. Timothy, Martin does not need your encouragement. Christian, we haven't met yet, but I am a much nicer person than Martin, and Tim for that matter, please direct your encouragement towards me. Lord knows I need assistance far more than Herr Oostrom!

Martin Oostrom
😭 you make me feel like Darth Vader reborn 😠 but I agree as well.

Peter the only encouragement you need is to actually build something. May the force be with you. (And a wad of Aussie Dollars to snatch bissi from the clutches of the BNA empire!)

I just love this banter #ScalematesForEver 😄

Peter Hardy
I have gone with the mid sized PE pack from Eduard, Pontos wooden decking, 380 &150 mm barrels from RB and the Revell kit. $264 delivered. Will start taking donations next week. Fund will be titled, "Raise the Bismarck and sink her again on Pete's bench" Fund. Mrs Hardy might be small but she is a woman to be FEARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really want to do that Cylon Raider first, but the keel laying ceremony will be before May 1st. All welcome! Even Tim. Well, maybe not Tim.

Spanjaard
wow, that is planning 🙂

Peter Hardy
Nothing wrong with being organised! No! Scratch that. Nothing wrong with having a plan!

Martin Oostrom
I'm so organised, my bench is a mess right now. Need to finish some birds before I can proceed with this 🙁

Peter Hardy
Yep, that's what a mess looks like!

Tim Heimer
Damn!, that's clean compared to my area right now !'ve gone nuckin futs and am doing 5 cars at once!

Peter Hardy
Why don't you clean it up then? You have time you know!

Tim Heimer
Too busy building !! that's why!

Martin Oostrom
If only. Real life is in the way. Computer troubles at work led to (too much) overtime. Which led to catching up socially in the weekend which led to too little time for building. Today it's my sons birthday party (sleepover) which will spill over into Sunday midday. By then it's quite possible my daughter wants some daddy time. So perhaps a bit on Sunday evening or late afternoon🙁

Tim Heimer
That's why Peter pics on me! Kids are gone, I'm disabled and not working. I take care of almost everything in and out of the house and cars, that's it. Enjoy your kids while you can!, Sounds like your a good Dad!

Martin Oostrom
With kids of 12 & 8, time can be scarce. But I enjoy (almost) every minute with them. I'm not sure they do the same though, friends are so much more important 😉
Your compliment is touching. I try to be the best dad ever, but I don't succeed all the time. Guess I'm human after all 😄
Well, despite your disability you're still able to produce above average models.

P.S. Peter has his own brand of humour. Takes a bit of time to get used to and sometimes a grain of digital salt, but I like it. Makes this ScaleMates Mates in Scale. 👍

Spanjaard
with two kids, it is a miracle that you have time for modelling (for what they say, no experience in the subject). but if you try half as hard than with your models (and i am sure you try a lot more), i am sure you are doing a hell of a job as a father 🙂

Tim Heimer
Martin, we both hit it off great! We love giving each other the berry's! I know it's scary, someone with Peters sense of humor! That's why we joined this website....Scalenuts. opps I mean mates! LOL

Spanjaard
ha hahaha scalenuts, i love it

Peter Hardy
Hey you blokes, I'm right here you know! Martin, my sense of humour aside for a moment, make sure that Mrs. Oostrom gets a sizeable part of your time, it isn't just your kids that deserve your attention. Life has a habit of delivering the unpredictable.
Martin, your sense of humour is not without a healthy serving of salt either!
Tim, it's more fun to pick on the disabled, they are less likely to chase me with an axe!
Spanjaard, from my observation, this site is is about making friends, those friends just happen to share a hobby. Martin's "Mates in Scale" comment is very accurate. Tim's "scalenuts" comment applies to himself only. The rest of us are perfectly normal.

Spanjaard
really Peter? i thought it was about a few guys showing off models their models, when the rest of us give them praises although we are dying of envy 😛 No seriously, I fully agree with you, and the truth is that I have even met some SCM people face to face already.

Peter Hardy
Nah, the models are simply a way of introduction.

Spanjaard
you should not miss Eindhoven in October. i certainly intend to be there

Spanjaard
counting on it 🙂 for me it is a couple of hours trip to get to SCM. but hope not to miss it 🙂

Peter Hardy
I'll be there in spirit!

Spanjaard
just a "short" flight, you may even have a chance to see the snow😉 (usually not much in october but....)

Peter Hardy
I have a weakness for Irish Whiskey, you may propose a toast to absent friends in Jameson's.

Spanjaard
That can be arranged 🙂

Peter Hardy
Spanjaard, I'd be bloody disappointed if it isn't! Martin, please leave the pic of your hobby bench on newsfeed. You have convinced me I am actually quite tidy, comparably. Also, what the heck is the transparent building with the swimming pool on the roof out of your window?

Martin Oostrom
Jameson it is for the Spirit of Moranbah!
That building is the shed in our back garden where we keep our bikes, gardening tools and so on.
We live in the old continent snd room is pretty scarce around here. Our garden is just over 60 square meters and can be considered as above average in size for the Netherlands.
Ditto for the house. Just under 6 meters wide and 10 in length with two floors and an attic is typical for over here. Not US or Aussie standard I guess.

Martin Oostrom
Uploaded a picture of our garden after a storm. Clearly shows the size (or lack there of).
And yes Peter, we will be redecorating in may.

Spanjaard
Nice garden 🙂

Peter Hardy
Yep, not too many games of backyard cricket going to happen there! The upside is it wouldn't take long to mow!! I won't show you a pic of my hobby room, you would only hate me. Spanjaard just PM'd me and said he would be at your place to help with the re-decorating

as he is very good with painting and laying tiles and carpet. Good friends like him are hard to find. I would reccomend that you put the stash under lock and key before he gets there though, and I'd search his car before he leaves too. Pretty dodgy characters those Spanjaards.

Spanjaard
Ha ha ha ! I will be happy to help of course, but my agenda is really busy in the coming months.... Years actually!
Your stash will be safe if I go anyway, I have no space for it in my place! 😛

Dave Flitton
Watching!!!!

Martin Oostrom
Welcome Dave

Today I had some time to prime some parts. Saving the hull itself for another day as light is deteriorating.

Martin Oostrom
Yeah, I was planning on building her completely and then paint her. But then I read an article in FineScale Modeler about modular building and my lightbulb switched on. 🙂

Now I see some progress with the paint, keeps the motivation up on all the prepwork on the small parts.

Martin Oostrom
Ah, the secret to your success is revealed!

Peter Hardy
It was one of the things I struggled with building only armour before my PoW. Built it, then paint it. Going to building modules really went against the grain! Putting off the "see what it looks like" moment is actually difficult to deal with!

Martin Oostrom
Lode, sometimes the obvious is not so obvious when the pictures show some extraordinary work and the viewer loses all sense of time and space 😉

Well, I'm a converted Modulist as of now. Could make life a bit easier with the planning of painting. 😄

Sven Schönyan
Interesting! I´ll be watching

Peter Hardy
Lode, Martin is a distant relative of Pablo Picasso. He has a different observation of everything!

Martin Oostrom
Welcome Sven!

Lode, everything is in the eye of the beholder. You 'know' stuff, and will see something different than us ignorants. 😉

Mmm, I wanted to paint her as in her last days. I was under the assumption that she would be a two tone grey (superstructure light, hull dark) just with some white fake waves.
Now I found this online: google.nl/search?biw..mp;spf=1525096209812
This made me open the 2 books I have and s**t. There was an intricate camouflage on the superstructure. Back to the drawingboard I guess 🙁

kirk williams
hello, nice job you're doing there Martin. somewhere in the basement I have a built Graf Spee. every modeler should go through the Graf Spee- Scharnhorst- Bismarck portal, to graduate. (smirk) My first model at age 7 was Prinz Eugen. German WWII ships are fun to build !

Martin Oostrom
True Kirk,
I did this Bismarck scalemates.com/kits/111460-revell-05036-battleship-bismarck and this Tirpitz scalemates.com/kits/111463-revell-05042-battleship-tirpitz back in the day.

Scharnhorst is ready to be built in the stash!

Martin Oostrom
And I'll build almost anything. 😄
Ships from everywhere (preference up untill WW2), Planes; props and jets, Trains, trucks and helos.

Peter Hardy
My favourites are the British built Japanese rebuilt IJN battleships with the "pagoda" superstructure and will build the Kongo after I retire.

Martin Oostrom
Wow Lode. You're planning to start AND finish Texas this year?

Martin Oostrom
Yeah right. I'm lightning speed with ships 😉
As soon as your Howe is finished we'll start on Texas. Not a minute sooner. I've got enough stuff in the stash to keep me occupied until then. 👍

kirk williams
I did a King George V 45 years ago...and gave all them them away to my nephew when I moved. Including New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Massachusetts, KGV, Bismarck, many more....they were thrown out eventually by my sister....I shoulda kept them all !

Martin Oostrom
Finally had enough time to add some paint to the superstructures and put some grey in the hull. Finally getting somewhere 👍

Christian Bruer
Nice progress Martin 👍

Martin Oostrom
Thank you Christian.
Kirk, with age comes wisdom 😉

Just had a small hour to mask and paint the fake waves. Quite satisfied with the result. Next is the anti-fouling and then a demarcation line.

Peter Hardy
Some might argue that perspective Martin.

Peter Hardy
He does get annoying after a while Lode doesn't he! Man is just a MACHINE!

Martin Oostrom
Ah come on. It was 4 tiny waves. You guys are too generous

Martin Oostrom
Do I dare to mention that I masked the upper hull and painted the lower hull?
Love you too, P&L!

Spanjaard
Well done Martin

Martin Oostrom
And the best horse in the stable checks in! Gracias 👍

Martin Oostrom
The Modelator strikes again!

Martin Oostrom
I think I figured it out. Nowadays I thin my paint way more than before. I need 8 or 9 passes with the paint brush to get a decent coverage. Believe it or not, but all of this was painted with my 0.2 needle, even the primer.
Thanks for the compliment my Flemish Friend.

Peter Hardy
Hey Marty! Just had a bit of a cruise through the pics again. Doing a majorly good job there mate. Keep it up!

Alec K
I gotta join this circus. Nice job Martin. I have the Trumpeter version of this fine ship in my stash, so watching with interest.

Martin Oostrom
Thank you Peter and Alec. Alec, do you want to be a clown or a fire eating monkey? Your choice 😉

Martin Oostrom
Alec K, The Cheesehead Czech

Tim Heimer
LOL!

Alec K
Ha! Or cheesy Czech? Your pick. I see that you have heard why Wisconsin is famous (or infamous) for😉

I'll take the fire eating monkey job. Clown would be too close to home... 👍

Kerry COX
SO. ! :-O
This is what I have to look forward to when I build my Admiral Graf Spee. ?
OMG. I will be hanging around this build like a bad smell. 🙂
Sorry I never picked up on all the previous post on you build Martin, but you now have my undivided attention.
Build away my man. 🙂
The PE pieces look stunning. 🙂 👍

Kerry COX
Oh oh. :-O
I just ordered the Academy Graf Spee. but the pe sheets (2) are sold out so I will have to shop around.
Any tips Martin. ?

Martin Oostrom
Kerry The Wise One arrives at last, at his hour of need. 😄 Your most welcome with your ideas and comments!
I looked around for you. The PE scalemates.com/kits/120167-eduard-53050-admiral-graf-spee is still available in Poland, but they don't ship to Australia. They do ship to my place, but the price for S&H for 2 sheets of PE is a bit steep.
Tell you what, when the mrs allows me to buy yet another kit, I'll order it in Poland along with the PE for your Graf Spee. Then I put the PE in a regular non-track-and-trace envelope to your place. That way it's more affordable, and a bit of a gamble whether it arrives or not. Do you like living dangerously?

Alec, every monday afternoon I check theMMQB for Peter King's column. So I know what the GB fans are famous for 😎

Alec K
Go Pack Go😉 Mr. Heimer will throw a banana peel at me, but hey...

Martin Oostrom
His team is led by some Hungarian guy, any extra animosity from that?

Alec K
I was just alluding to the old rivalry between the Chicago Bears and GB Packers, nothing more specific. The big question is how a Hollander gets interested in American football?

Kerry COX
I love the 69er's

Tim Heimer
I Never understood why San Francisco football team didn't get the name Packers, but then I met a guy from Wisconsin! LOL!

Tim Heimer
Is this what you meant Alex?? 🙂

Peter Hardy
I think there is an "in joke" going on here.

Kerry, depends who they are playing!

Kerry COX
Mmmmmm ;-/

Alec K
Tim, I think the Aussies are playing us for fools...

Peter Hardy
Not you Alec! I have the utmost respect for you actually! But leaving Tim out of it for now, you don't live in Chicago do you?

Martin Oostrom
When I was a bit younger I stumbled upon a world hockey championship with a you Steve Yzerman. Via the nhl I found the NFL. Even had a GamePass to watch the games on th epc for a couple of years. But then I found another expensive hobby, and here I am.

Peter, Alec is from NE Wisconsin, Chicago is in Illinois. They're like quarrelling neighbors, those two states. At least when their brand of football is involved.
Never understood why the Yanks insist in calling it football though. They mostly throw and run with the damn thing.

Peter Hardy
I thought they spend most of the time standing around talking about what they will do next. I've seen their football, makes cricket look like a fast game!

Kerry COX
Do they have fours or sixes. ? hehehehe

Peter Hardy
No idea Kerry. I tried to watch it one day on tv. Everybody was standing around waiting for motorbikes to appear. They were all dressed up in fancy clobber with helmets and enough padding to stuff all the bras of every schoolgirl in the world! Then a fella kicked a ball to another bloke who caught it. Must have been a lucky catch though 'cause the bloke what caught the ball got down on his knees. Think he said a prayer. When he was sitting on the ground all these other blokes in different clobber came down and looked at him. Then everybody walked off the field and another bloke who was angry at the blokes in the fancy clobber started yelling at the fancy clothes motorbike rider fellas. I think he wanted some fancy clobber too. They all got the ships with him and went and sat down. Then another lot of blokes looking for motorbikes went on the field and stood around in a circle looking at the ground. I think they were working out if they had enough money to catch the bus 'cause there were no motorbikes to be had anywhere. I got bored about then cause I only had to wait half an hour for the bike racing. Valentino Rossi has pretty clobber to wear but doesn't fill it with his Mum's spare winter doona. I watched the bike race for an hour and started to wonder if the blokes on the other channel had found their motorbikes yet. So I flicked back and waited. And waited. And waited. Gave up and went to bed.

Kerry COX
Was this on what looks like a big cow pasture. ? And they had what looked like a pumpkin and wouldn't let it go. ?

Peter Hardy
Don't think so Kez, think was a parking area. More white lines than a joss house on a Sunday afternoon!

Kerry COX
Totally updated now. 👍 Thanks Peter. 🙂

Alec K
Martin, you are entirely correct on all counts. The football fans (and I beg your brief indulgence for this to mean the American variety) are very much like soccer fans in Europe, although I would never fear going to see a Bears vs. Packers game in Chicago for fear of getting beat up or harassed😉. From personal experience, Chicago is a great city my family and I visit regularly: great foodie town, awesome music and shopping venues, museums etc.

As far as the football/soccer nomenclature is concerned, it's apparently all Britain's fault (per Michigan University professor Stefan Szymanski).

Your Spee is looking magnificent. I started the Heller version some 20+ years ago. When I returned to the hobby, I decided the kit and my earlier unrefined interventions were too coarse to continue. Lately I stumbled on an idea to perhaps finish it as the scuttled version, and build the Trumpeter kit as the ship appeared before the encounter with the Royal Navy. For now, watching and learning with great interest 👍

Martin Oostrom
Thank you for the compliment Alec. Sounds like a great idea for your Spee. Looking forward to it 😉

RE: football fans. We have some real fans and some I refer to as goldfish. They are at the matches for other things than the match itself.

Alec K
👍 🙂

Martin Oostrom
Damn you, Lode and Kerry.
Lode for getting me into this 3-tone camo. If my Flemish Friend can do a 4-tone Brit, how hard can a 3-tone German be?
Every time I try to cut a corner, I get a dose of WWKCD. It's all your fault Kerry!

Peter Hardy
Kerry's in trouble!

Kerry COX
WHAT I DO. ??? :-O

Patrick Hagelstein
Looking at picture 109, when you want a more soft edged camo, try to put a rolled up piece of tape or some Blu-Tac under your mask. This way you have more control over the spray pattern.

Greg Baker
Man... you've got some giant hands! 🙂

Patrick Hagelstein
Lode, somehow your linked image doesn't work.

Martin Oostrom
Some Kerry quotes: "Seam lines are the enemy, they must be destroyed" "Build everything at competition level, you'll know if you leave some hideous spots hidden"
It gave me a serious case of WWKCD every time I was taking it a bit easy: What Would Kerry Cox Do 😎
Lode, just kidding of course. I'm using a pattern I found online (I think I posted it above somewhere), but it isn't completely the same as on some pictures I have. Just making it up, as best of both worlds (with WWKCD knocking in the brain). Thanks for the email! Another masking product? Just bought some of Kerry's Parafilm, now you want me to get some more? 😉
Patrick, my build sequence is just wrong on this one. Call it learning. I really should have painted the superstructure parts first, before joining them. Could have asked Lode, but didn't 🙁 now masking is a b***h as a lot of places are hard to reach. Need to find some middle ground here.

Bart Goesaert
Nice work so far...

I tend to use something similar, blutack, see for instance for my Biber build (Biber OOB | Album by Silenoz (1:35)) and others... can be bought from several stores, most easy one is Modelbrouwers.nl.

@Lode: does this masking agent also creep over time as the similar one from MIG and panzerputty? It works fine, but it tends to run over time like a ripe cheese, and that I don't like so much...

Martin Oostrom
Crap, I have the panzerputty........

Greg Baker
I've been stricken by WWKCD as well a couple of times as well... the result was a sore elbow from more sanding than usual...

Bart Goesaert
Friends of mine build mainly armor, and there it creeps into the holes of the mesh screens, which gives a lot of trouble removing it without breaking. Hence they hardly use it...

Martin Oostrom
Finally. Painted the dark grey, decided to go with a hard edge as I think that looks best. Had some nasty surprise with the liquid mask.... But persevered and triumphed.

Spanjaard
nasty mask if takes even the primer....good that you could fix it 🙂

Alec K
Nice progress and save Martin 👍

Martin Oostrom
I think the primer didn't bond well on the PE. I'll super degrease the PE next time 👍
For now I sprayed a gloss layer in an attempt to unify all paint layers. I have a filter for dark-grey, I'll try that to get a little bit less contrast between the greys. See what happens 🙂

Peter Hardy
Damned if I know how the liquid mask is supposed to work. I always get the feathered edges too. Next time I use it I will remove it before the paint actually hardens.

Kerry COX
That is why I like using blutak. You control the edges and how soft or hard you want the demarcation between the colours to be. Sharp or soft.

Bart Goesaert
I agree with Kerry, we had the same discussion in Lode's topic. As a degreaser, in paintshops in Belgium we have formule MC, so maybe in Holland too, works like a charm, also after soldering to remove the flux

Tim Heimer
Looking good Martin!

Christian Bruer
Martin, the camouflage painting with sharp edges looks good and real to me 👍
May you know the photos on this site?!
deutschland-class.dk..fspeemontevideo.html

Martin Oostrom
Christian, I didn't 🙁
Some pictures I have in my reference books SCM Book: Pocket Battleships of the Deutschland Class
Perhaps I can use the site some, Thanks.
And the master approves of the paint job! Joy in my house.
Rest of the bunch, thank you for your encouraging words. Happily received.

Christian Bruer
Also a very good resource and highly recommended:
SCM Book: German Naval Camouflage

Martin Oostrom
Stop torturing me, I honestly didn't know this book existed. I already confessed you are The Master 😉

I fear this is a bit too late to incorporate in this build 🙁 Is it any use for a 1:700 Scharnhorst?
Thanks for the tip.

Christian Bruer
Hahaha Martin, good one, I'm always pleased to help 😄

Well I can highly recommend them. There are two volumes, 1939 - 1941 and 1942 - 1945. You should Google the title to find a lot of pictures to find out for your own if it is included what you want. From my point of view there are all camouflage patterns of any major unit from light cruisers to battleships included, as well as torpedo boats and destroyers.

Cheers, Christian

Martin Oostrom
Ouch, they don't come cheap: bookdepository.com/s..amp;search=Find+book
Might have to ask my friend Google

Christian Bruer
They're worth the money Martin.

Sven Schönyan
I can second what Christian said about the books, Martin. I have both volumes and the give a very good impression of the camos used by the DKM or gives inspiration for future builds.

Spanjaard
one book for the price of PE update😉

Martin Oostrom
I put the books on my wishlist. GS is freestyle already and 1/700 Scharnhorst isn't in the planning yet. I'll keep them at the back of my mind for now.

Lode thanks. Not much done lately on any build. Real life is interfering once more. Work is a bit of an energydrainer the last two weeks. Should be better this week (hopefully).